Comments on: The Falling Fertility of Europe http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/ Mostly about Utah Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:48:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: rickety http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-17693 rickety Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:01:32 +0000 http://www.rickety.us/?p=3716#comment-17693 I would hazard a guess that most conservative states do not care for homosexuality, especially homosexual marriage. But certainly in Utah there is high regard for families and the individual though I agree, less tolerance for deviant behavior, which is as it should be. The numbers do not seem to indicate that the "socialist welfare state" will be able to maintain their populations over time, although there are exceptions. It is interesting to me that as a Utahn I enjoy more freedom that I did in my 28 years of living in England. I would hazard a guess that most conservative states do not care for homosexuality, especially homosexual marriage. But certainly in Utah there is high regard for families and the individual though I agree, less tolerance for deviant behavior, which is as it should be.

The numbers do not seem to indicate that the “socialist welfare state” will be able to maintain their populations over time, although there are exceptions.

It is interesting to me that as a Utahn I enjoy more freedom that I did in my 28 years of living in England.

]]> By: just me http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-17692 just me Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:09:42 +0000 http://www.rickety.us/?p=3716#comment-17692 You would better not forget that the lowest birth rates occur in states which are the most conservatives. In Greece are f. e. just 5% of all births out of wedlock - compared to Utah´s 19%. The birth rate is quoted as 1,34 (currently 1,27 %). In Iceland having a TFR around 2,1 in the years 2000 -2010 the actual number of illegitimate births is around 60%. The lowest TFR occurs in states who experience a succession from a very conservative society to a progressive society. The "socialist welfare state" belongs to the progressive society achieving TFR from 1,9 - 2,2 which is enough to maintain its population. The progressive society is essential for a true democracy to maintain individual liberty and equality in all areas without discrimination due to some strange interpretation of the bible or of God´s word. Democracy has to be secular as any democracy is only democratic while respecting the value of THE INDIVIDUAL not of any given group. Conservative and religious states may have a higher TFR but all advantages arising of it are meaningless compared to the lack of acceptance of sex equality and homosexuality - just to name some - in some segments in their society as the Latter-Saint-Days-Church. You would better not forget that the lowest birth rates occur in states which are the most conservatives. In Greece are f. e. just 5% of all births out of wedlock – compared to Utah´s 19%. The birth rate is quoted as 1,34 (currently 1,27 %). In Iceland having a TFR around 2,1 in the years 2000 -2010 the actual number of illegitimate births is around 60%.
The lowest TFR occurs in states who experience a succession from a very conservative society to a progressive society. The “socialist welfare state” belongs to the progressive society achieving TFR from 1,9 – 2,2 which is enough to maintain its population. The progressive society is essential for a true democracy to maintain individual liberty and equality in all areas without discrimination due to some strange interpretation of the bible or of God´s word. Democracy has to be secular as any democracy is only democratic while respecting the value of THE INDIVIDUAL not of any given group.
Conservative and religious states may have a higher TFR but all advantages arising of it are meaningless compared to the lack of acceptance of sex equality and homosexuality – just to name some – in some segments in their society as the Latter-Saint-Days-Church.

]]> By: Guest http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-10852 Guest Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:41:20 +0000 http://www.rickety.us/?p=3716#comment-10852 This is all a very worthy discussion on why the birth rate is decreasing and we have to really think on it. Zia Khan This is all a very worthy discussion on why the birth rate is decreasing and we have to really think on it.

Zia Khan

]]> By: rickety http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-7433 rickety Fri, 09 Jul 2010 01:25:09 +0000 http://www.rickety.us/?p=3716#comment-7433 The three items you listed to decrease the number of births is not necessarily true. Consider Utah, where women are educated and have access to family planning. Utah women have a fertility rate higher than any other U.S. state and slightly higher than the world total fertility rate. My own wife bore five children, and has a bachelors degree. My daughter and daughter-in-law have bachelors degrees and both are starting their families and I look forward to many more grandchildren. By being educated women are also likely to learn that children are an asset to a country and bring joy and happiness to their families. You might want to outline the "BAD way" the planet will be affected so that the readers here can understand your concerns. In the 1960s I never expected to live to the 1990s because of predicted food shortages, nuclear annihilation, an ice age, energy shortages, etc. None of this happened and for many in the West life improved as the population grew. So give us your best predictions, they can't be any worse than those that were told to me in my youth. The three items you listed to decrease the number of births is not necessarily true. Consider Utah, where women are educated and have access to family planning. Utah women have a fertility rate higher than any other U.S. state and slightly higher than the world total fertility rate. My own wife bore five children, and has a bachelors degree. My daughter and daughter-in-law have bachelors degrees and both are starting their families and I look forward to many more grandchildren.

By being educated women are also likely to learn that children are an asset to a country and bring joy and happiness to their families.

You might want to outline the “BAD way” the planet will be affected so that the readers here can understand your concerns. In the 1960s I never expected to live to the 1990s because of predicted food shortages, nuclear annihilation, an ice age, energy shortages, etc. None of this happened and for many in the West life improved as the population grew.

So give us your best predictions, they can’t be any worse than those that were told to me in my youth.

]]> By: Danny http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-7389 Danny Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:36:05 +0000 http://www.rickety.us/?p=3716#comment-7389 If your having children because you believe its God's will I am forced to believe your an idiot. Ofcorse I can't really complain because people have children for all sorts of idotic reasons. The world currently has over 7 billion people on it. Were still breeding faster than were dieing off. No I don't believe were going to have world famines or any of the other crap that is mentioned in books like "The Population Bomb" but were are going to iravertably effect the outcome of the planet in a BAD way which will effect countless generations to come. The fact that slowly one by one countries are falling BELOW replacement level is a good thing. Yes it will cause long term changes in how countries operate and will eventually lead to a lower Gross Demestic Product but I think countries will be able to deal with this. As for the arguements presented in the article they left out the basics. If you want to decrease the number of children being born you do the following. 1. Give women access to effective means of birth control. 2. Give women education on family planning. 3. Give women access to education, the more education the better. If you do these 3 things you will have fewer babies. If your having children because you believe its God’s will I am forced to believe your an idiot. Ofcorse I can’t really complain because people have children for all sorts of idotic reasons.

The world currently has over 7 billion people on it. Were still breeding faster than were dieing off. No I don’t believe were going to have world famines or any of the other crap that is mentioned in books like “The Population Bomb” but were are going to iravertably effect the outcome of the planet in a BAD way which will effect countless generations to come.

The fact that slowly one by one countries are falling BELOW replacement level is a good thing. Yes it will cause long term changes in how countries operate and will eventually lead to a lower Gross Demestic Product but I think countries will be able to deal with this.

As for the arguements presented in the article they left out the basics. If you want to decrease the number of children being born you do the following.

1. Give women access to effective means of birth control.
2. Give women education on family planning.
3. Give women access to education, the more education the better.

If you do these 3 things you will have fewer babies.

]]> By: Cutsa http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-7347 Cutsa Fri, 02 Jul 2010 07:19:31 +0000 http://www.rickety.us/?p=3716#comment-7347 That's some real eyeopening stats, I wonder where the Asians will be, I feel they do better in the birth rate. Another important stats to consider is the proportionate of women to men. Jason That’s some real eyeopening stats, I wonder where the Asians will be, I feel they do better in the birth rate.

Another important stats to consider is the proportionate of women to men.
Jason

]]> By: SKU Tracking http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-7312 SKU Tracking Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:47:53 +0000 http://www.rickety.us/?p=3716#comment-7312 It is sad that the birth rate is decreasing. Children are the main happiness in a family so I think people should check on this to increase the birth rate. It is sad that the birth rate is decreasing. Children are the main happiness in a family so I think people should check on this to increase the birth rate.

]]> By: Steven http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-7095 Steven Wed, 09 Jun 2010 12:20:35 +0000 http://www.rickety.us/?p=3716#comment-7095 Children really give lot of happiness and playing with children is a great pleasure in life. Why does some people wont opt for children? They need to know the importance of children. Steven. Children really give lot of happiness and playing with children is a great pleasure in life. Why does some people wont opt for children? They need to know the importance of children.
Steven.

]]> By: Anon http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-5850 Anon Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:13:38 +0000 http://www.rickety.us/?p=3716#comment-5850 Having lived in Europe for ten years, I believe culture and economy plays a big part in population growth. Having lived in Europe for ten years, I believe culture and economy plays a big part in population growth.

]]> By: Crystal http://www.rickety.us/2009/01/the-falling-fertility-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-5767 Crystal Sat, 06 Mar 2010 06:29:23 +0000 http://www.rickety.us/?p=3716#comment-5767 I all can say is that all Europe really needs get back with GOD right now. I all can say is that all Europe really needs get back with GOD right now.

]]>