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	<title>Comments on: Yes to Proposition 8 &#8211; No to Same-Sex Marriage Instruction</title>
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		<title>By: rickety</title>
		<link>http://www.rickety.us/2008/10/yes-to-proposition-8-no-to-same-sex-marriage-instruction/comment-page-1/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>rickety</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, good question. Basically I am sure that same-sex marriage is not a &lt;em&gt;natural right&lt;/em&gt;. So if the government will not grant gays marriage as a &lt;em&gt;civil&lt;/em&gt; right, then they are really denied nothing. However, if government grants them the civil right, then fair enough it has been done legally. The danger to religions and other organizations is that once same-sex marriage is recognized by government then the force of law could bear down on schools, churches, and individuals to make them comply with actions their conscience tells them is wrong. The post &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rickety.us/2008/10/proposition-8-where-do-rights-come-from/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Proposition 8: Where Do Rights Come From?&quot;&lt;/a&gt; is an attempt to explain about rights. Perhaps you have an opinion about rights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, good question. Basically I am sure that same-sex marriage is not a <em>natural right</em>. So if the government will not grant gays marriage as a <em>civil</em> right, then they are really denied nothing. However, if government grants them the civil right, then fair enough it has been done legally. The danger to religions and other organizations is that once same-sex marriage is recognized by government then the force of law could bear down on schools, churches, and individuals to make them comply with actions their conscience tells them is wrong. The post <a href="http://www.rickety.us/2008/10/proposition-8-where-do-rights-come-from/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Proposition 8: Where Do Rights Come From?&#8221;</a> is an attempt to explain about rights. Perhaps you have an opinion about rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://www.rickety.us/2008/10/yes-to-proposition-8-no-to-same-sex-marriage-instruction/comment-page-1/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rickety,

What is your opinion about same-sex marriage? I&#039;m really new to your blog and haven&#039;t had a chance to find out you opinion about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rickety,</p>
<p>What is your opinion about same-sex marriage? I&#8217;m really new to your blog and haven&#8217;t had a chance to find out you opinion about this.</p>
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		<title>By: rickety</title>
		<link>http://www.rickety.us/2008/10/yes-to-proposition-8-no-to-same-sex-marriage-instruction/comment-page-1/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>rickety</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

Thank you for your comment. I followed your link to the website but I didn&#039;t see a link to the blog where it is claimed that Mormons have an ulterior motive in supporting Proposition 8. I am getting ready to send out my fourth son on a mission, so I am somewhat familiar with missionary procedures and the tactics you suggest are just not credible. 

Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. I followed your link to the website but I didn&#8217;t see a link to the blog where it is claimed that Mormons have an ulterior motive in supporting Proposition 8. I am getting ready to send out my fourth son on a mission, so I am somewhat familiar with missionary procedures and the tactics you suggest are just not credible. </p>
<p>Rick</p>
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		<title>By: rickety</title>
		<link>http://www.rickety.us/2008/10/yes-to-proposition-8-no-to-same-sex-marriage-instruction/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>rickety</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Thank you for your comments. There is more than enough material to merit another blog post. I will see if I can put one together in the next few days so that I can do your comments justice. I will say that I think the fundamental issue is who designates a right? Is it a few judges or should they have postponed allowing gay marriages until the people have spoken by way of Proposition 8? So a good starting point is: Where do rights come from?

Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments. There is more than enough material to merit another blog post. I will see if I can put one together in the next few days so that I can do your comments justice. I will say that I think the fundamental issue is who designates a right? Is it a few judges or should they have postponed allowing gay marriages until the people have spoken by way of Proposition 8? So a good starting point is: Where do rights come from?</p>
<p>Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Evangelical Ministers are urging people to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baytzim.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vote NO on Proposition 8&lt;/a&gt;. Also, isn&#039;t the parental notification initiative more important?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Evangelical Ministers are urging people to <a href="http://www.baytzim.com/" rel="nofollow">Vote NO on Proposition 8</a>. Also, isn&#8217;t the parental notification initiative more important?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.rickety.us/2008/10/yes-to-proposition-8-no-to-same-sex-marriage-instruction/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s what’s fiction and what’s fact:

Fiction: Prop 8 doesn’t discriminate against gays.


Fact: Prop 8 is simple: it eliminates the rights for same-sex couples to marry. Prop 8 would deny equal protections and write discrimination against one group of people—lesbian and gay people—into our state constitution. 

Fiction: Teaching children about same-sex marriage will happen here unless we pass Prop 8.


Fact: Not one word in Prop 8 mentions education, and no child can be forced, against the will of their parents, to be taught anything about health and family issues at school. California law prohibits it, and the Yes on 8 campaign knows they are lying. Sacramento Superior Court Judge Timothy Frawley has already ruled that this claim by Prop 8 proponents is “false and misleading.” The Orange County Register, traditionally one of the most conservative newspapers in the state, says this claim is false. So do lawyers for the California Department of Education.

Fiction: Churches could lose their tax-exemption status.


Fact: Nothing in Prop 8 would force churches to do anything. In fact, the court decision regarding marriage specifically says “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”

Fiction: A Massachusetts case about a parent’s objection to the school curriculum will happen here.


Fact: Unlike Massachusetts, California gives parents an absolute right to remove their kids and opt-out of teaching on health and family instruction they don’t agree with. The opponents know that California law already covers this and Prop 8 won’t affect it, so they bring up an irrelevant case in Massachusetts. 

Fiction: Four Activist Judges in San Francisco…


Fact: Prop 8 is not about courts and judges, it’s about eliminating a fundamental right. Judges didn’t grant the right, the constitution guarantees the right. Proponents of Prop 8 use an outdated and stale argument that judges aren’t supposed to protect rights and freedoms. This campaign is about whether Californians, right now, in 2008 are willing to amend the constitution for the sole purpose of eliminating a fundamental right for one group of citizens.

Fiction: People can be sued over personal beliefs.


Fact: California’s laws already prohibit discrimination against anyone based on race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. This has nothing to do with marriage.

Fiction: Pepperdine University supports the Yes on 8 campaign.


Fact: The university has publicly disassociated itself from Professor Richard Peterson of Pepperdine University, who is featured in the ad, and has asked to not be identified in the Yes on 8 advertisements.

Fiction: Unless Prop 8 passes, CA parents won’t have the right to object to what their children are taught in school.


Fact: California law clearly gives parents and guardians broad authority to remove their children from any health instruction if it conflicts with their religious beliefs or moral convictions.

Regardless of how you feel about the issue, we should not eliminate fundamental rights for ANY Californians. Please vote NO on Prop 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s what’s fiction and what’s fact:</p>
<p>Fiction: Prop 8 doesn’t discriminate against gays.</p>
<p>Fact: Prop 8 is simple: it eliminates the rights for same-sex couples to marry. Prop 8 would deny equal protections and write discrimination against one group of people—lesbian and gay people—into our state constitution. </p>
<p>Fiction: Teaching children about same-sex marriage will happen here unless we pass Prop 8.</p>
<p>Fact: Not one word in Prop 8 mentions education, and no child can be forced, against the will of their parents, to be taught anything about health and family issues at school. California law prohibits it, and the Yes on 8 campaign knows they are lying. Sacramento Superior Court Judge Timothy Frawley has already ruled that this claim by Prop 8 proponents is “false and misleading.” The Orange County Register, traditionally one of the most conservative newspapers in the state, says this claim is false. So do lawyers for the California Department of Education.</p>
<p>Fiction: Churches could lose their tax-exemption status.</p>
<p>Fact: Nothing in Prop 8 would force churches to do anything. In fact, the court decision regarding marriage specifically says “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”</p>
<p>Fiction: A Massachusetts case about a parent’s objection to the school curriculum will happen here.</p>
<p>Fact: Unlike Massachusetts, California gives parents an absolute right to remove their kids and opt-out of teaching on health and family instruction they don’t agree with. The opponents know that California law already covers this and Prop 8 won’t affect it, so they bring up an irrelevant case in Massachusetts. </p>
<p>Fiction: Four Activist Judges in San Francisco…</p>
<p>Fact: Prop 8 is not about courts and judges, it’s about eliminating a fundamental right. Judges didn’t grant the right, the constitution guarantees the right. Proponents of Prop 8 use an outdated and stale argument that judges aren’t supposed to protect rights and freedoms. This campaign is about whether Californians, right now, in 2008 are willing to amend the constitution for the sole purpose of eliminating a fundamental right for one group of citizens.</p>
<p>Fiction: People can be sued over personal beliefs.</p>
<p>Fact: California’s laws already prohibit discrimination against anyone based on race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. This has nothing to do with marriage.</p>
<p>Fiction: Pepperdine University supports the Yes on 8 campaign.</p>
<p>Fact: The university has publicly disassociated itself from Professor Richard Peterson of Pepperdine University, who is featured in the ad, and has asked to not be identified in the Yes on 8 advertisements.</p>
<p>Fiction: Unless Prop 8 passes, CA parents won’t have the right to object to what their children are taught in school.</p>
<p>Fact: California law clearly gives parents and guardians broad authority to remove their children from any health instruction if it conflicts with their religious beliefs or moral convictions.</p>
<p>Regardless of how you feel about the issue, we should not eliminate fundamental rights for ANY Californians. Please vote NO on Prop 8.</p>
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